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Dreadful. We do make a donation of clothes and my uncle always donates money in lieu of presents to a local refuge caring for the homeless and those unable to feed themselves.
Does make you feel helpless though and terrible that so many people find themselves in this position.
the bit about a woman who was eating paper towels, (what a load of tosh) where did she get the paper towels from she either had to buy them or nick them in the first place, so why didnt she buy or nick food instead, i do feel for people who are in real bad circomstances but there is a lot of people who could afford food instead of paying for a mobile phone, sky tv, and the list could go on.
before anyone has to slate me for saying my piece, i forgot to say one of my misses mate who has 2 kids and a waste of space boyfriend, when we go shopping we always buy her between £10-£15 of shopping and drop it off for her & the kids, the reason we buy the shopping for her instead of giving her a few quid is because if we did then the boyfriend would have it off of her and either buy drink or drugs
I think we have to separate those that are in real trouble against those that are lazy, live off the state claiming all sorts of benefits and then complain they are poor.
I was in Library recently, next door to Job Centre. The number of people hanging around both (clearly job seekers) smoking, using expensive iPhone and clothed in latest trendy gear amazed me...
While those that are too proud to ask for help suffer......and are the ones that really need our help and support
Mind you some Bishops were complaining the other day about the Governments plans to limit benefits to £500 per week, saying this would lead to 'poverty'for some with children. £500 a week add on tax NI and that equates to £35k a year! If you cant afford children, DONT have them.
Phil
When you are in this sort of situation events can quickly get out of control very quickly. I have had some pretty hard times whilst in business particularly in the recession during the nineties, my experiences then helped me deal with the current problems. Fortunately I had reserves to fall back on at the time but it was very tricky for a long while, I remember collecting a van load of free bog oak so that if we couldn't afford the gas bills we could at least keep one room warm and with three very small children that was a worry.
We didn't go hungry even though I went without pay for five months but even though we were alright I am concious that if things had carried on as they were going for another month or two we would have had real problems. I don't condemn other people for mismanaging their money or blame them for the situation they find themselves in but I know that by ensuring that the wealthy do not pay their fair share in taxes, other people will die needlessly.
When I was an apprentice my foreman from Newcastle, told me about his experiences in the thirties when his dad was out of work and the family was means tested, it certainly opened my eyes. Also whilst an apprentice I was taught english and economics by an old Etonian and Oxford graduate, his inlaws had also suffered during the thirties, as a result he was pretty far to the left politically. At the time monetarism was starting to be talked about as an economic theory he predicted the results pretty accurately, high unemployment and no growth.
phil smith said:
I'm with Gary on this one, Benefits were never meant to be a lifestyle choice, but a safety net for the weakest members of society. now WE pay the bill for the feckless and lazy, we've all seen them and sometimes been unlucky enough to interveiw them.........
Gary RK said:
Did anyone see 'When bankers were good' with Ian Hislop recently?
Part of the programme was about George Peabody, the American banker and philanthropist, who used the vast wealth he gained from banking, to set up the Peabody Trust.
Peabody's vision was to help the poor. He realised that there were poor people who were desperate to get themselves out of their straights as well as lazy poor who relied on others to provide food and shelter.
It's a fascinating story.
And when you interview them, they rarely want the job - just the letter, application form and job description so they can go back to the Job Centre and plead that no one understands them, would offer me a job, no one will give me a chance.....
Yeah, Been there and had that.
Phil Crossley said:
No I didn't Phil, but philantrophists still exist, Getty, Gates, etc. Capitalism may not be perfect, but no one has come up with a better system. As (presumably) we're all self employed on this site, we all believe in our own ability to provide for and look after ourselves. Yes for a system that protects the weaker members of society, No for a system that rewards the feckless.
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