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Adrian Noble started a post containing the above.

I have been doing this for 11 years !

and i consider myself a good? business person... :-/

ive always seen it from there point of view - not mine.

maybe it takes 'experience' and toughness to get over this thought.?

I now am more-so trying? (why do we doubt ourselves) to charge what i know it costs me to live & run my business reliably.

- i guess you have to be busy and have many quotes/ or little time to actually 'cherry pick' the jobs and say 'NO' to the BAD jobs.

Again 'you are the boss' , not the customer initially :)

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  • It is a hard jump to detach yourself from other peoples perceptions and charge what you need to charge to be viable long term.

    I found the change was easiest implimented in Spring before a new season, and strictly went on from their, once you start charging sensible prices for your labour, you dont look back - and only work for decent polite people - those two things make the world of difference.

  • My opinion on this matter is that most jobs have a price. You have a certain amount of influence on what you can charge using differentiation and suchlike, but as a business owner your job really is to build your business in a way that enables you to maximise profit from the job's 'going rate'. Once you can do that, you can start to leverage your advantage to differentiate your business further.

  • A 'price' is all very well - but did they turn up, do the job, do it well. were they polite, did they use quality materials? and on and on...

    like the debateable fencing thread on here not so long ago - what was the outcome?

    maybe 40 different ways to do /charge/give 'value' to a client...

    even offering a variety of services:

    gardening
    mowing
    maintenance
    pruning
    landscaping
    tree surgery - we do all these and are a one-stop shop , they dont need 3/4 tradesmen of varying quality / trust/ reliability / payments/ etc

    rob

  • It's bloody hard in my first year I need at least £15 an hour to make a job worth while went to one yesterday 5-6 hour hedge cutting job said between £100-£120 ball park said I'll send it over by quote after I've had a think customers face seemed like id just killed his cat. Makes you laugh though he lives in a nice area retired doctor nice garden but won't pay for a top quality hedge.
  • There is always an acceptable price for every job. Yes, it's important to offer additional value, but that can only get you so far. Those who look to differentiate their offering through being polite etc, are in for a long hard slog.

    You also need to be careful. Trying to gain an edge by offering loads of different services can be counter productive. The most obvious example is when gardeners and landscapers offer 'tree surgery'. Fine if you are actually qualified, insured and tooled up to do it, but there are a lot of cowboys about who have just done a couple of quick NPTC courses (usually only CS30, 31 and 32, and sometimes a couple more ) and then think it's OK to offer tree surgery. The public are becoming wise to the fact that a Jack of all trades is a master of none.

    I'm not familiar with the fencing thread you mention as I'm new here. However, fencing is one of those services that almost anyone can get more work than they could ever need, but to make a decent profit from it you need to be a little bit clever. Fencing is generally seen as a commodity service by many prospective clients, so differentiation on service will only get you so far.




    Gardens4u.co.uk said:

    A 'price' is all very well - but did they turn up, do the job, do it well. were they polite, did they use quality materials? and on and on...

    like the debateable fencing thread on here not so long ago - what was the outcome?

    maybe 40 different ways to do /charge/give 'value' to a client...

    even offering a variety of services:

    gardening
    mowing
    maintenance
    pruning
    landscaping
    tree surgery - we do all these and are a one-stop shop , they dont need 3/4 tradesmen of varying quality / trust/ reliability / payments/ etc

    rob

  • thats spot on for a hedge - is it high? do you remove the refuse inc?

    Mitchel ingham said:
    It's bloody hard in my first year I need at least £15 an hour to make a job worth while went to one yesterday 5-6 hour hedge cutting job said between £100-£120 ball park said I'll send it over by quote after I've had a think customers face seemed like id just killed his cat. Makes you laugh though he lives in a nice area retired doctor nice garden but won't pay for a top quality hedge.
  • Seriously i charge MY price, i heve good reputation, i rarely advertise and get calls daily.

    I have been in business 6 yrs and get 90% of the quotes i give because they are from recommendations, which goes a long way.

    I give good value for money, my money comes from the speed we do the job.

    We rarely make less than £80 per hour.

    Edit: just re-read thread, you do need to be making imho £50+ ph to be viable, really do your sums.. Even grass mowing we make £50ph, up your prices!!

    Edit2: please cherry pick your jobs, £20 ph aint gonna cut it(pardon my pun)

    Edit3: you are not a charity.
  • Any job is only worth what you can get for it. The quality of materials used is largely down to the customer's choice.

    I find myself having to steer away from jobs where the perceived value is not high (for whatever reason)

  • you do need to be making imho £50+ ph to be viable
    Phil, I'd respectfully suggest most people working on their own are going to struggle to get that, it's more accurate for teams of two.
    Having said that, teams of two can certainly work a lot quicker and 50 as a basis point is fairly easy to achieve. I certainly set my sights higher for the two of us.
  • it depends on the area /

    Mike Goodman said:
    you do need to be making imho £50+ ph to be viable
    Phil, I'd respectfully suggest most people working on their own are going to struggle to get that, it's more accurate for teams of two.
    Having said that, teams of two can certainly work a lot quicker and 50 as a basis point is fairly easy to achieve. I certainly set my sights higher for the two of us.
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