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Having recently been bidding for a ride on on ebay I later found out that Id been bidding against another ljn member.Until a couple of years ago bidders identities were revealed so I probably wouldnt bid against another member.Keeping bidders ids concealed is obviously a tacit by ebay to force prices to go higher,is there a way round this?
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PRO MemberPermalink Reply by David Cox on -
nope - it also makes it harder to see shill bids where people have friends or family etc bid on an item to keep it going up and up - Had it happen on a couple of Mountain Bikes Ive bid on - Same seller, Same high bidder always pushing it up - watched the seller - same on most bikes but hard to spot unless you watch the feedback Number aswell on the other bidder.
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Permalink Reply by paul mcdermott on -
David Cox said:nope - it also makes it harder to see shill bids where people have friends or family etc bid on an item to keep it going up and up - Had it happen on a couple of Mountain Bikes Ive bid on - Same seller, Same high bidder always pushing it up - watched the seller - same on most bikes but hard to spot unless you watch the feedback Number aswell on the other bidder.
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Permalink Reply by paul mcdermott on
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Your right David,unless bidders ids are open how can we tell if the seller is boosting the price.Anyone out there got any ideas on how to put pressure on ebay for a genuinely open and honest auction
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PRO MemberPermalink Reply by David Cox on -
I find ebay to be full of it tbh - there are no bargains, items with a known value go on as BUY IT NOW as the seller KNOWS they can get that price, auctions are used to attract attention and get bid "UP" to the price on in demand items. Example being many stihl Combi tools - they rarely go for more than 10-20% less than their as new list price, despite being heavily used.
Mayaswell buy new and get a warrenty.
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Permalink Reply by phil smith yewtreelandscapes.com on
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if you want to sell something ebay is the best place to sell as you will get the best price for your item, but if you want to get a bargain then ebay is not the place for it now, try www.gumtree.co.uk even tho bidders cant see the identity of other bidders, ebay still know if there is shill bidding going on
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PRO MemberPermalink Reply by Dan Frazer Gardening on -
Ach it's no big deal, you should only bid what you want to pay. Any higher and it's no loss, just a few seconds of your time browsing and putting in your bid!
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Permalink Reply by Richard Thornton on -
eBay is crap.
1stly the buyer protction has more holes in it than the proverbial swiss cheese. Last year I baught a tracked dumper which upon delivery needed a new engine. Seller didn't want to know, no prob I thought and contacted eBay, who told me that buyer protection doesn't cover "vehicles" which they define as anything with an engine, so also coveres mowers! (this had a happy ending as the dumper turned out to be a skip loader, and worth about 5x what I paid, even after the new engine!)
2ndly I listed a days mini digger hire, like everyone else for £1 which wins a business card. That was pulled as they said it was evasion of their fees. Fair enough though I, and I relisted at £140, but that was pulled as in the description I included my contact details so buyers could check availability. Apparently that leads to 'off ebay sales'
3rdly theres no point complaining
4thly the fees and you have to take paypal.
Rant over!
I don't buy tools from ebay now, worn out crap! My local Stihl dealer gives a good discount, no postage and a guarantee! Oh Phil, eBay own Gumtree, theres no escape from them!
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Permalink Reply by briggsandscrapem on -
exactamundo !
i buy tons of stuff off the bay and have had very few problems, sure machines will need some tinkering with when you get them but you can save a fortune off the new price and when buying big pieces of equipment then new is rarely an option.
Dan Frazer Gardening said:Ach it's no big deal, you should only bid what you want to pay. Any higher and it's no loss, just a few seconds of your time browsing and putting in your bid!
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didnt you go and take a look at the dumper before you bought it? there is no way i would part with my money before looking at what i am buying, you also say ebay own gumtree but gumtree isnt an auction site the price you see is what you pay, i got my 10ft x 6 ft ifor tipping trailer off of gumtree for £1900, 2007 model, come with all paper work tir certificate, you try buying one off of ebay for that price
Richard Thornton said:eBay is crap.
1stly the buyer protction has more holes in it than the proverbial swiss cheese. Last year I baught a tracked dumper which upon delivery needed a new engine. Seller didn't want to know, no prob I thought and contacted eBay, who told me that buyer protection doesn't cover "vehicles" which they define as anything with an engine, so also coveres mowers! (this had a happy ending as the dumper turned out to be a skip loader, and worth about 5x what I paid, even after the new engine!)
2ndly I listed a days mini digger hire, like everyone else for £1 which wins a business card. That was pulled as they said it was evasion of their fees. Fair enough though I, and I relisted at £140, but that was pulled as in the description I included my contact details so buyers could check availability. Apparently that leads to 'off ebay sales'
3rdly theres no point complaining
4thly the fees and you have to take paypal.
Rant over!
I don't buy tools from ebay now, worn out crap! My local Stihl dealer gives a good discount, no postage and a guarantee! Oh Phil, eBay own Gumtree, theres no escape from them!
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Permalink Reply by Lawn lover on -
I was the other bidder on e-bay for said item.
I have since bought the same item from a different seller from E-bay.
In the last week I have also
Bought a chain saw from e-bay
Sold a mower on e-bay.
E-bay if used correct can save you money.
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Permalink Reply by Richard Thornton on
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Hi Phil,
eBay relies on honesty from the sellers when listing, if they're not you should be covered by the buyer protection, that's the whole point. It isn't practical to take a day off, and spend £10's on fuel to go and look at something you might or might not have the winning bid on. So like most people, I take a gamble that, the seller is honest, and that the description is accurate. Of course mistakes are made but 9 times out of 10 a reasonable settlement can be made.
However, there are a lot of people selling dody gear on there - just look at the volume of "brand new with tags" clothes! Am I honestly supposed to believe that none of these have been shoplifted?!! How much BNWT stuff is there in any of our cupboards?!
I've also sold a few things on eBay and insist on cash on collection to avoid any misunderstandings. Having said that I've never, ever had anyone come to view before bidding. I have had a buyer insist I post the item and he would send cheque on receipt if he was happy!
Yes I could have taken the time to go and look at the dumper, but it would have cost me over £200 in fuel and lost income! I took a chance and nearly got burned, this time it worked out.
My point is, there is a lot of dodgy gear being sold there, and it's completely unregulated. Sellers can either have two eBay accounts and bid on their own items, or have a mate do so to up the price. eBay doesn't care as they get their cut on the listing fee, final value fee (the higher the selling price the better for them) and the paypal fee, so they win all round! Have a look at the Stihl Kombi items, then see how Jones' compare on price!
Once youv'e paid their fees, postage/fuel, is the saving really worth it or would you rather have a guarantee?
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Permalink Reply by Richard Thornton on
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Pete,
if you need another send me £76 and I'll take the angle grinder to my old fork for you!
pete said:As of just now I'm the happy owner of this parsnip fork – there's hasn't been one of these on e-bay for 2 or 3 years and where else would I get one (or do I need one :) - so I bid £76 and won it for £16
The same seller actually had two on with auction end times an hour apart but I missed the second one cuz I was on here!
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