Construction with timber in the round

Hi, can anyone tell me the best way to fix upright timbers in the round to an existing concrete base which cannot be replaced. i.e. something like the metboltdowns, or can these be used and packed?

Thanks Chrissy Spooner

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PRO MemberPermalink Reply by Brian www.mibservices.co.uk on March 27, 2012 at 18:50
Permalink Reply by phil smith yewtreelandscapes.com on March 27, 2012 at 20:22

i would agree with paul, it would be much easier and would look better if you used a diamond core drill, get one about 1/2 an inch larger than the posts and then there would be a small amount of pointing in to do around the timbers

Permalink Reply by Chrissy Spooner on March 28, 2012 at 9:09

Thanks for your very sensible answer. Now you've said it, its obvious. But somebody should develop similar thing to the bolt on met post base for round posts!

Paul @ PPCH Services said:

Why not just cut into it with a stihl saw and breaker and concrete them in. If you want to complicate things then you could use a diamond core drill to make the holes.

Eitheir would look neater imo than met post type products.

Permalink Reply by Fenlandphil on March 30, 2012 at 1:23

The only problem I can foresee by concreting the posts in is wet rot.

If you have smallist diameter timbers you could use KeeKlamp type sockets or for larger diameters have shoes made up from a section of steel pipe welded to a drilled base plate then galvanised, there would need to be a drainage hole on the bottom of the pipe. The names for steel pipe that isn't gas tube or water pipe is Circular Hollow Section, Cold drawn seemless (expensive) or for thinner wall thicknesses ERW tubing. To find the right diameter check the outer diameter and subtract the wall thickness x 2, ie 114.3 chs with a wall thickness of 6mm will have an inner diameter of 102mm approx, there will also be an internal welded seam to take into account. 


PRO MemberPermalink Reply by Phil Voice on March 31, 2012 at 9:12

Something like this would do: http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/515218304/Round_Post_Base.html

If it needs to be decorative then powder coated or stainless steel perhaps?

Permalink Reply by Chrissy Spooner on March 31, 2012 at 9:31

Thanks for all your help - sorted!

Phil Voice said:

Something like this would do: http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/515218304/Round_Post_Base.html

If it needs to be decorative then powder coated or stainless steel perhaps?

Permalink Reply by Clive Dearden on April 1, 2012 at 10:06

I think we missed something in the OP Timber in the round is not the same as round timber!

If you are sure of the quality  of the concrete, then drilling and placing treated or stainless steel bar concreted or epoxy resin in to place.

Look at this thread for fixing options:

http://www.landscapejuicenetwork.com/forum/topics/how-to-install-fl...

clive

www.thehandmadegarden.com

Permalink Reply by John on April 1, 2012 at 10:21

What is timber in the round ?,

I can only think it can be round poles, but as I have never

heard it before I may be mistaken.



Clive Dearden said:

I think we missed something in the OP Timber in the round is not the same as round timber!

If you are sure of the quality  of the concrete, then drilling and placing treated or stainless steel bar concreted or epoxy resin in to place.

Look at this thread for fixing options:

http://www.landscapejuicenetwork.com/forum/topics/how-to-install-fl...

clive

www.thehandmadegarden.com

Permalink Reply by Nic Johnson on April 1, 2012 at 12:48

I wouldnt concrete timber into the ground i would fabricate some bracket myself to go into the timber post and keep the timber off the concrete. drill out the posts and fix the brackets to the posts and down to the concrete.

Permalink Reply by Clive Dearden on April 1, 2012 at 21:11

Timber in the round is timber that is de-limbed and selected for straightness and diameter, as apposed to machine rounded timber, machined to a uniform diameter. The former is the stronger 

John www.acegardenservices.co.uk said:

What is timber in the round ?,

I can only think it can be round poles, but as I have never

heard it before I may be mistaken.



Clive Dearden said:

I think we missed something in the OP Timber in the round is not the same as round timber!

If you are sure of the quality  of the concrete, then drilling and placing treated or stainless steel bar concreted or epoxy resin in to place.

Look at this thread for fixing options:

http://www.landscapejuicenetwork.com/forum/topics/how-to-install-fl...

clive

www.thehandmadegarden.com

Permalink Reply by Chrissy Spooner on April 2, 2012 at 9:35

Goodness, my simply querie seems to have started much discussion! Maybe I'm incorrect saying timber in the round, or maybe its just a quelocialism (not how its spelt I'm sure). Problems now solved so thanks for all the help.

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