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  • Are you trying to have a discussion about it or do you yourself feel as though that they are dangerous? I personally do not believe that we need to have people legislate whether we can buy a simple (because that it is what it is) powertool. I do not believe in ‘nerfing’ the world.

  • simple - simple killing machine ! do you have cs 30 & cs 31?

    Joseph Munro said:

    Are you trying to have a discussion about it or do you yourself feel as though that they are dangerous? I personally do not believe that we need to have people legislate whether we can buy a simple (because that it is what it is) powertool. I do not believe in ‘nerfing’ the world.

  • Yes , and i know that they are dangerous/ either tree saws or ground.

    Joseph Munro said:

    Are you trying to have a discussion about it or do you yourself feel as though that they are dangerous? I personally do not believe that we need to have people legislate whether we can buy a simple (because that it is what it is) powertool. I do not believe in ‘nerfing’ the world.

  • I think the problem is that a huge proportion of the population are quite simply, not that bright.

    They therefore can take shortcuts, cut corners and will generally cock up in some line of work at some point in their life.... From dangerous taxi drivers, careless builders, amature tree-surgeons, all will have their proportion of the Human race's dumb and daft.... and they will continue to have accidents until natural selection removes them from the gene pool.

    The NHS and Welfarestate are doing a good job of keeping a few samples for us to study alive in future, but othewise common sense relentlessly marches forwards.

    Ban chainsaws being purchased by the public and the day after someone will die trying to pull a tree over with a transit van and it will fall on them and someone else.... Even without chainsaws I;ve seen moronic attempts at chopping trees down - On my allotment site, ive seen people holding chainsaws above their hed, using an axe to chop a tree down and standing RIGHT infront of the gob-cut. cutting roots with a chainsaw between the legs ----- everyone of these is flirting with death, but people will still do it.

  • I think David has it about right......



    David Cox said:

    I think the problem is that a huge proportion of the population are quite simply, not that bright.

    They therefore can take shortcuts, cut corners and will generally cock up in some line of work at some point in their life.... From dangerous taxi drivers, careless builders, amature tree-surgeons, all will have their proportion of the Human race's dumb and daft.... and they will continue to have accidents until natural selection removes them from the gene pool.

    The NHS and Welfarestate are doing a good job of keeping a few samples for us to study alive in future, but othewise common sense relentlessly marches forwards.

    Ban chainsaws being purchased by the public and the day after someone will die trying to pull a tree over with a transit van and it will fall on them and someone else.... Even without chainsaws I;ve seen moronic attempts at chopping trees down - On my allotment site, ive seen people holding chainsaws above their hed, using an axe to chop a tree down and standing RIGHT infront of the gob-cut. cutting roots with a chainsaw between the legs ----- everyone of these is flirting with death, but people will still do it.

  • PRO

    I think the difference is; that one should be 'free' to do what one likes within their own 'environment', but to offer your services for profit using a 'killing machine' means (in my mind) you should be experienced and /or trained and / or certificated - not only for yourself, but for the poor souls who are around you believing you know what you are doing.


    Gary Smith said:

    scaffold tower
    acro props
    ladders
    nail gun
    table saw
    stihl saw
    hand held rip saw
    etc etc
    I'll be using all of these on a weekly if not daily basis from now through to April on a property we are renovating, all are capable of seriously injuring or killing me, should they all be unavailable to me because I don't have training/aren't a registered builder?
    Chainsaws kill but if you google it far more people die in a single year from falling off ladders than have been killed in the last 10 years by chainsaws.

    These guys were labelled "tree surgeons", they weren't, they were breaking the law but banning chainsaws would not stop untrained people doing dangerous/stupid things.
  • i bet less people are 'injured' by shot guns / 12 bores or 20 bores etc -

    but you need a 'license' and gun cabinet bolted and key hidden.

  • PRO

    How is more red tape ever a good thing?

  • why did he put a smaller 20 bore cartridge into a bigger 12 bore gauge gun then! and you should know if you have loaded up or not- and should not trigger until cleared the barrel.

    shame for him...





    Gary Smith said:
    I had a friend who lost part of his hand and face in a shotgun accident, fully licenced with years of experience, one evening he fished a 20 bore cartridge from his pocket and dropped it into the chamber of a side by side 12 bore, when he fired the gun nothing happened, breaking the gun he saw an empty chamber, the 20 bore cartridge would have slipped down the barrel, he simply thought he hadn't loaded one barrel and he reloaded, the result was he now had a 12G cartridge sitting on top of a 20G cartridge, next time he fired the barrel burst with devastating results, he was fully licenced with years of experience, you can't legislate againt accidents, they just happen whether it's carelessness,as with my friend or tiredness or stupidity.

    Gardens4u.co.uk said:

    i bet less people are 'injured' by shot guns / 12 bores or 20 bores etc -

    but you need a 'license' and gun cabinet bolted and key hidden.

  • PRO

    I think my point is missed and do HSE facts support that ?

    Accidents and gross stupidity due to lack of training etc are two different issues but with the same result - someone gets harmed.

    Finally, do two wrongs make a right - we should be concentrating on our own industry's short comings first?

    Gary Smith said:

    Gary far more builders must die working for householders than tree surgeons do and builders aren't required to be trained to certificate level for the tools they use, many customers are driven by price, a great many people simply won't care whether someone has a cert as long as the price is right.
    I'm playing Devils Advocate here, don't get me wrong training is a good thing but I think it's simply unenforcible, you can't legislate against accidents and if the person undertaking the work and the person employing them doesn't care about the rules they'll just carry on regardless.

    Gary RK said:

    I think the difference is; that one should be 'free' to do what one likes within their own 'environment', but to offer your services for profit using a 'killing machine' means (in my mind) you should be experienced and /or trained and / or certificated - not only for yourself, but for the poor souls who are around you believing you know what you are doing.


    Gary Smith said:

    scaffold tower
    acro props
    ladders
    nail gun
    table saw
    stihl saw
    hand held rip saw
    etc etc
    I'll be using all of these on a weekly if not daily basis from now through to April on a property we are renovating, all are capable of seriously injuring or killing me, should they all be unavailable to me because I don't have training/aren't a registered builder?
    Chainsaws kill but if you google it far more people die in a single year from falling off ladders than have been killed in the last 10 years by chainsaws.

    These guys were labelled "tree surgeons", they weren't, they were breaking the law but banning chainsaws would not stop untrained people doing dangerous/stupid things.
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