Open Association of Landscape Industries
wages
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Permalink Reply by Sefton Paine on -
As you know, minimum wage is £5.52 per hour which I believe goes up in October to £5.78 per hour.
I pay my guys £7 per hour, but they only get paid while I am getting paid. Which means, if we around and about in the van, picking up sandwiches, etc then there is no pay. I am very fair and try to give them just the two jobs a day, which keeps them working and earning. My supervisor, who also provides his own tools I pay £7.50 and he stays on site all day.
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Permalink Reply by Susan Gallagher on -
our guys are on £9 an hour and we have a very happy hardworking team. Junior guy gets £7.
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Permalink Reply by Daniel Johnson III on -
I pay my guys 4/7 of whatever I charge them out at ... I work it into the budget for the job - then I tell them that you will be paid x for this job .. whether it takes 2 weeks or 6 ... (and it always comes in at 2 :-)
I've fallen in to paying day rates and hourly and it really works against you if anything goes wrong - even if its the workers fault.
5.52 is appalling and close to slave labour in my opinion. especially when I know I'm going to charge them out at 12 at least ... when I was in their position I hated this kind of thing and I wont do it to them now.
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Permalink Reply by niall gibb on -
good point above, if you are paying £7/8 per hour you need to charge them out at £12~ to cover holidays, ni, paye. etc. which would then be built in to your workout for hourly rate
i have a spreadsheet that i use that i am happy to forward if you require it, just get in touch. it is used by a large construction company
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Permalink Reply by Simon Smith on -
Hi Niall
I find that the national agricultural wages board of England & Wales
http://www.defra.gov.uk/farm/working/agwages/awb/pdf/awo-2008-guide...
And the IOG Wage rates
http://www.iog.org/news/20080103_salary%20bands.asp
are good guides as the rates of pay and employment terms,
‘ if everyone sung off the same song sheet ,everyone would known there they stand’
Niall Could you please send me a copy of that spread sheet, I’m still working with these two methods of calculation,
Labours wage calculation; A (torte to me many years ago at collage)
Wage rate per hr x 39hr week = wage per wk, x 52 weeks year =wage per year, / 47 productive weeks =wage cost per week, / 35 productive hours= labour cost per hour, + over heads, + profit = chargeable hours.
Labours wage calculation; B (told to me on many occasion by my accountant)
Wage rate per hr / 40, * 100 = chargeable rate
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Permalink Reply by Jonathan Brewster on -
Just to drag up an old discussion, we are looking at our pay structure for the staff and are just wanting to know what the going rates are for staff in the present climate. Does the above calculation B still hold water, I know this links into the £15/hour discussion but helps us all understand pricing structures.
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PRO MemberPermalink Reply by Dan Frazer Gardening on -
Remember that the IMMEDIATE cost of employing is around 30% on top of the wage (holiday, NI, tax), then you have the secondary costs such as lower productivity (possibly), sickness, training, secondary equipment and additional servicing. If you don't charge double the labourers wage you will lose money. You need to charge more than double to make additional profit, otherwise you are no better off than if you work alone.
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PRO MemberPermalink Reply by Stuart @ Eco Garden Maintenance on -
When i asked my accountant about becoming an employer he said that i needed to charge an employee out at 3 times their wage. Makes it hard to pay a decent wage.
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PRO MemberPermalink Reply by Paul McNulty on -
Interesting reading today. We all seem to think on another thread that £15 per hour is laughable for a gardener when it's clients paying us, yet we are mentioning minimum wage for employees? I guess we all might be struggling to justify our £20 per hour, when the client hears of £6 or £7 per hour being the going rate for employees.
I fully understand that there's a difference between labourers and business owners, but perhaps it's worth bearing in mind that clients might be aware that the guy we send to maintain their garden is only paid less than half what they are being charged? Just a thought.
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PRO MemberPermalink Reply by Dan Frazer Gardening on -
I'd like to see the service the client would get if they tried to get the labourer to do the work directly!
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Permalink Reply by Neil Petrie BSc Landscape Mgt on -
Ditto to what dan says.
Dan Frazer Gardening said:I'd like to see the service the client would get if they tried to get the labourer to do the work directly!
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PRO MemberPermalink Reply by Paul McNulty on -
I know, although I've never worked with anyone (when I employed people) who I wasn't happy could be left alone to do the job equally as well as me, and the client would be comfortable with them around their home, family etc.
My point is that some businesses run by sending low-paid inexperienced staff to do the work, whilst charging them out at the higher rates we would expect to earn as professionals. I've picked up a lot of business from clients unhappy with this. They know the difference between a gardener and a labourer, and expect to pay different prices. Just my experience!
Dan Frazer Gardening said:I'd like to see the service the client would get if they tried to get the labourer to do the work directly!
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